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Talking to legislators from New York, Washington, Massachusetts, and New Jersey about what’s under threat, what’s safe, and the strain of it all.

State lawmakers around the country are negotiating budgets for the coming year amid unprecedented uncertainty. Any decisions they make now about how to spend state money may need to be revisited after Congress finishes its budget reconciliation bill, which could hollow out Medicaid, the largest pot of federal funds that most states receive.
On the climate and clean energy front, the Trump administration has been trying to claw back money allocated to states for electric vehicle charging, home energy retrofits, electric school buses, utility bill assistance, and more. Even longstanding tax credits that states rely on to transition to renewable energy are at risk. On top of all this, the president has threatened to sic his attorney general on states with ambitious climate policies.
I wanted to know how all of this was affecting the way the most forward-thinking state leaders on climate were contemplating their next steps. States passed some of their most ambitious policies to fight climate change during Donald Trump’s first term as president, and they are the best chance the U.S. has to continue making progress over the next four years. But if last time the administration was throwing sand in the gears of climate action, this time it’s trying to tear up the road entirely.
After talking to state senators and representatives in Washington, Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey, it was clear that every faced its own unique set of considerations and challenges, but there were a few recurring themes.
“We’re in this weird no-man’s land,” New York State Senator Liz Krueger told me. Between losing access to funds the state was relying on and uncertainty around how the Trump administration will reshape environmental protection and clean energy tax credits, “the agenda we might have set out for ourselves a year ago does not necessarily jive with the reality we must now confront.”
Krueger was frustrated because New York has been in the process of developing a new revenue-raiser to help pay for climate programs called Cap-and-Invest, but it’s behind schedule. Eventually it will place a cap on carbon emissions from major polluters and charge them fees when they surpass it — but draft rules for the program are more than a year overdue. Governor Kathy Hochul has not said when her administration will get them out, and environmental groups are now suing the state for putting its climate targets at risk.
The delay has been “quite aggravating,” Krueger told me. But at the same time, she’s worried that if and when the regulations are out, the Trump administration will try to shut down the program. Trump signed an executive order in early April directing his attorney general to identify and “stop the enforcement” of state climate programs that “are or may be unconstitutional.” The order specifically called out California’s carbon cap and trade program, which is similar to the one New York is developing.
“I don’t think we should stop moving forward as planned. But I think hanging over us is the concern that the feds will try to stop us,” Krueger said. She hasn’t sensed much appetite in the legislature to propose new climate programs this session, but she said she’s still hoping to get through a bill that she’s sponsored for the past few years requiring utility regulators to develop a strategy to transition buildings away from using natural gas for heating — although again, she wondered aloud if Trump would quickly try to shut it down.
Washington State, on the other hand, already has a cap-and-invest program in place. Representative Joe Fitzgibbon, of Seattle was the most optimistic of the state legislators I spoke to. “Our legal framework for fighting climate change was not predicated on federal dollars,” he told me. Last year, the state spent nearly half a billion dollars raised through that program on a wide range of projects to enhance wildfire prevention, improve energy efficiency in schools and homes, install electric vehicle chargers, and electrify buildings and vehicles. “We’re not backing off on any of our policies or any of our targets,” he said.
Fitzgibbon was unconcerned about the executive order. Legal experts are skeptical that the courts would side with the White House in any challenges to state climate laws. Trump also went after California’s cap and trade law during his first term and lost. “We think it’s bluster. We think it’s him trying to get headlines, and we’re just not inclined to fan the flames,” he told me.
Instead, Fitzgibbon is pushing forward with a bill this session to strengthen the state’s clean fuel standard. Current law requires a 20% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from on-road transportation by 2034, and his amendment would increase that to between 45% and 55% by 2038.
New York is also behind on its goal to procure 9 gigawatts of offshore wind by 2035. The state only has power purchase agreements with three offshore wind farms — the small South Fork project, which is already operating, and two larger ones under construction — for a total of 1.8 gigawatts. Then shortly after Krueger and I spoke, the Trump administration issued a stop work order on one of those bigger projects, Empire Wind. Since Trump has also paused federal permitting for new offshore wind projects, Krueger wasn’t sure whether New York officials would even try to solicit for additional contracts. “There’s no good answers,” she said, with a sigh.
Offshore wind is a major element of New Jersey’s plans to cut emissions, as well. But the Trump administration recently pulled the permits for the Atlantic Shores wind farm, the only project serving New Jersey that had said permits.
State Senator Andrew Zwicker told me the sector was already struggling due to rising costs, supply chain issues, and local opposition. Even before Trump came into office, he said, he’s had to fight to keep renewable energy on the agenda. “There is a narrative that we can’t afford renewables, and that the way to go is you need resiliency and redundancy. And the only way to do that is, in our case, with natural gas,” Zwicker told me. He hears that story from Republicans — but also, increasingly, from Democrats. “That’s being driven by the cost of electricity more than it’s being driven by an executive order from Trump,” he added.
There is one source of funding for climate action that all states have access to that may be more impervious to federal interference. This came up during my call with Michael Barrett, a State Senator in Massachusetts, who asserted that “most of our climate policies don’t require budgeting.” That’s because the legislature has designed many of the state’s clean energy programs — including the buildout of electric vehicle infrastructure, rebates for heat pumps and energy efficiency, and compliance with the state’s renewable energy standard — to be funded by fees on monthly electric and gas bills.
Massachusetts is still really early in its legislative calendar — it operates on a two-year schedule and has barely started holding hearings for bills — but Barrett said there are some strategic shifts the state should make in light of Trump’s actions. For example, Trump has stymied offshore wind development, but Barrett said there was less the president could do to hurt solar. “So if you want to preserve the state’s industrial clean energy capacity,” he said, “you pivot to both behind the meter and in front of the meter solar on the ground, on the roofs, on canopies.” He also advocated for more subsidies for EV charging infrastructure rather than for electric vehicles themselves. “You forgo subsidizing individual drivers,” he said. “Many of them will purchase EVs anyhow, because they can afford to, and you focus on getting the charging infrastructure into the ground.”
All of the other state legislators I surveyed for this piece have similar programs financed through utility bills. In general, utility regulation is an area where state leaders have significant sway. In New Jersey, for example, Senator Zwicker is working on a bill that would require utilities to invest in “grid enhancing technologies,” equipment that enables power lines to transmit more electricity without having to totally replace the line or build a new one. That could go a long way to bringing more renewable energy online in the future. In New York, Krueger’s big priority for this year is to pass her New York Heat Act, which would significantly change how gas utilities are regulated, prioritizing transitioning away from gas to electric heating, and cutting the subsidies that customers pay to expand the gas system.
Though Barrett saw the ability for states to tack the cost of clean energy onto utility bills as reassuring, Zwicker found it concerning. “Every year, I personally have gotten more and more uncomfortable with putting everything on the backs of ratepayers,” he told me. “And we don’t have another model in place right now, so there’s no way to do anything else.”
New Jersey is facing many of the same challenges as New York and Massachusetts. The state’s economy has also taken a downturn, Zwicker told me, and budgets are tight. Governor Phil Murphy has proposed cuts to many areas, including climate spending. Zwicker said one of his big focuses right now is finding money to help low-income customers pay their utility bills, as the Trump administration is attempting to zero out federal funding for a longstanding energy assistance program.
New Jersey does have some money coming in for clean energy through utility bill fees, and it also funds climate action with proceeds from the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, a program that charges power plant operators for their emissions. (Massachusetts and New York participate as well.)
But Zwicker was deeply concerned about the loss of federal funding and support. “New Jersey just can’t afford to do this by itself,” he told me. Electricity costs there are already among the highest in the country. “This is a national emergency, and the federal government has got to be a strong partner. Regardless of the fight over how we’re producing energy, if we can’t transmit it, if we don’t have a robust grid, that is as basic an infrastructure as is a highway or a bridge. Under this administration, it’s far from clear that they’ll put a penny towards anything around energy, period.”
Even Washington is not quite sitting pretty. Like New Jersey, the state is in a “pretty severe budget crisis,” Fitzgibbon said, and not in a position to backfill lost federal dollars. Its economy has taken a downturn after a post-pandemic spike. One thing the legislature is doing in response is re-allocating money in the budget that in the past had been set aside for technical assistance to help households, businesses, and Tribes apply for government grants — since federal dollars will likely be scarce, anyway. While the state can still make progress with its cap and invest funds, which can’t be re-allocated to other budget lines, grant funding from the Inflation Reduction Act would help the state cut emissions faster and more cost-effectively, he said. Washington was in line to get $71 million for electric vehicle charging and $21 million for truck charging, for example, but the Trump administration is trying to claw back that funding.
At the end of my interviews, I asked lawmakers what they wanted people to know about what it’s like to do their jobs right now. Zwicker emphasized the sheer scale of the challenge of putting together a budget — especially one that advances climate action — under these circumstances. “Being part of a committee to put a budget together is always a challenge,” he said, “but when you add the threat of over a billion dollars of cuts to our school children, up to $10 billion to $14 billion of cuts for healthcare for seniors and the poor, and then you say, we need to continue to push on New Jersey’s clean energy goals, and get ourselves off of our addiction to fossil fuels, it’s an incredibly challenging task.”
Barrett wanted to make it clear that climate progress would continue under Trump. He said that even if Medicaid was gutted, the state’s efforts to cut emissions would suffer less than local public education — again, because so much of it is financed and implemented through utility regulation. “He can do a great deal of harm, but he cannot kill the resistance to climate change,” Barrett said of Trump. “We would have to play catch up in a big way after he left, but I suspect that we’re going to have to play catch up anyway.”
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Rob takes Jesse through our battery of questions.
Every year, Heatmap asks dozens of climate scientists, officials, and business leaders the same set of questions. It’s an act of temperature-taking we call our Insiders Survey — and our 2026 edition is live now.
In this week’s Shift Key episode, Rob puts Jesse through the survey wringer. What is the most exciting climate tech company? Are data centers slowing down decarbonization? And will a country attempt the global deployment of solar radiation management within the next decade? It’s a fun one! Shift Key is hosted by Robinson Meyer, the founding executive editor of Heatmap, and Jesse Jenkins, a professor of energy systems engineering at Princeton University.
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Robinson Meyer: Next question — you have to pick one, and then you’ll get a free response section. Do you think AI and data centers energy needs are significantly slowing down decarbonization, yes or no?
Jesse Jenkins: Significantly. Yeah, I guess significantly would … yes, I think so. I think in general, the challenge we have with decarbonization is we have to add new, clean supplies of energy faster than demand growth. And so, in order to make progress on existing emissions, you have to exceed the demand growth, meet all of that growth with clean resources, and then start to drive down emissions.
If you look at what we’ve talked about — are China’s emissions peaking, or global emissions peaking? I mean, that really is a game. It’s a race between how fast we can add clean supply and how fast demand for energy’s growing. And so in the power sector in particular, an area where we’ve made the most progress in recent years in cutting emissions, now having a large, and rapid growth in electricity demand for a whole new sector of the economy — and one that doesn’t directly contribute to decarbonization, like, say, in contrast to electric vehicles or electrifying heating —certainly makes things harder. It just makes that you have to run that race even faster.
I would say in the U.S. context in particular, in a combination of the Trump policy environment, we are not keeping pace, right? We are not going to be able to both meet the large demand growth and eat into the substantial remaining emissions that we have from coal and gas in our power sector. And in particular, I think we’re going to see a lot more coal generation over the next decade than we would’ve otherwise without both AI and without the repeal of the Biden-era EPA regulations, which were going to really drive the entire coal fleet into a moment of truth, right? Are they gonna retrofit for carbon capture? Are they going to retire? Was basically their option, by 2035.
And so without that, we still have on the order of 150 gigawatts of coal-fired power plants in the United States, and many of those were on the way out, and I think they’re getting a second lease on life because of the fact that demand for energy and particularly capacity are growing so rapidly that a lot of them are now saying, Hey, you know what, we can actually make quite a bit of money if we stick around for another 5, 10, 15 years. So yeah, I’d say that’s significantly harder.
That isn’t an indictment to say we shouldn’t do AI. It’s happening. It’s valuable, and we need to meet as much, if not all of that growth with clean energy. But then we still have to try to go faster, and that’s the key.
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They still want to decarbonize, but they’re over the jargon.
Where does the fight to decarbonize the global economy go from here? The past 12 months, after all, have been bleak. Donald Trump has pulled the United States out of the Paris Agreement (again) and is trying to leave a precursor United Nations climate treaty, as well. He ripped out half the Inflation Reduction Act, sidetracked the Environmental Protection Administration, and rechristened the Energy Department’s in-house bank in the name of “energy dominance.” Even nonpartisan weather research — like that conducted by the National Center for Atmospheric Research — is getting shut down by Trump’s ideologues. And in the days before we went to press, Trump invaded Venezuela with the explicit goal (he claims) of taking its oil.
Abroad, the picture hardly seems rosier. China’s new climate pledge struck many observers as underwhelming. Mark Carney, who once led the effort to decarbonize global finance, won Canada’s premiership after promising to lift parts of that country’s carbon tax — then struck a “grand bargain” with fossiliferous Alberta. Even Europe seems to dither between its climate goals, its economic security, and the need for faster growth.
Now would be a good time, we thought, for an industry-wide check-in. So we called up 55 of the most discerning and often disputatious voices in climate and clean energy — the scientists, researchers, innovators, and reformers who are already shaping our climate future. Some of them led the Biden administration’s climate policy from within the White House; others are harsh or heterodox critics of mainstream environmentalism. And a few more are on the front lines right now, tasked with responding to Trump’s policies from the halls of Congress — or the ivory minarets of academia.
We asked them all the same questions, including: Which key decarbonization technology is not ready for primetime? Who in the Trump administration has been the worst for decarbonization? And how hot is the planet set to get in 2100, really? (Among other queries.) Their answers — as summarized and tabulated by my colleagues — are available in these pages.
You can see whether insiders think data centers are slowing down decarbonization and what folks have learned (or, at least, say they’ve learned) from the repeal of clean energy tax credits in the Inflation Reduction Act.
But from many different respondents, a mood emerged: a kind of exhaustion with “climate” as the right frame through which to understand the fractious mixture of electrification, pollution reduction, clean energy development, and other goals that people who care about climate change actually pursue. When we asked what piece of climate jargon people would most like to ban, we expected most answers to dwell on the various colors of hydrogen (green, blue, orange, chartreuse), perhaps, or the alphabet soup of acronyms around carbon removal (CDR, DAC, CCS, CCUS, MRV). Instead, we got:
“‘Climate.’ Literally the word climate, I would just get rid of it completely,” one venture capitalist told us. “I would love to see people not use 'climate change' as a predominant way to talk to people about a global challenge like this,” seconded a former Washington official. “And who knows what a ‘greenhouse gas emission’ is in the real world?” A lobbyist agreed: “Climate change, unfortunately, has become too politicized … I’d rather talk about decarbonization than climate change.”
Not everyone was as willing to shift to decarbonization, but most welcomed some form of specificity. “I’ve always tried to reframe climate change to be more personal and to recognize it is literally the biggest health challenge of our lives,” the former official said. The VC said we should “get back to the basics of, are you in the energy business? Are you in the agriculture business? Are you in transportation, logistics, manufacturing?”
“You're in a business,” they added, “there is no climate business.”
Not everyone hated “climate” quite as much — but others mentioned a phrase including the word. One think tanker wanted to nix “climate emergency.” Another scholar said: “I think the ‘climate justice’ term — not the idea — but I think the term got spread so widely that it became kind of difficult to understand what it was even referring to.” And one climate scientist didn’t have a problem with climate change, per se, but did say that people should pare back how they discuss it and back off “the notion that climate change will result in human extinction, or the sudden and imminent end to human civilization.”
There were other points of agreement. Four people wanted to ban “net zero” or “carbon neutrality.” One scientist said activists should back off fossil gas — “I know we’re always trying to try convince people of something, but, like, the entire world calls it ’natural gas’” — and another scientist said that they wished people would stop “micromanaging” language: “People continually changing jargon to try and find the magic words that make something different than it is — that annoys me.”
Two more academics added they wish to banish discussion of “overshoot”: “It’s not clear if it's referring to temperatures or emissions — I just don't think it's a helpful frame for thinking about the problem.”
“Unit economics,” “greenwashing,” and — yes — the whole spectrum of hydrogen colors came in for a lashing. But perhaps the most distinctive ban suggestion came from Todd Stern, the former chief U.S. climate diplomat, who negotiated the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Agreement.
“I hate it when people say ’are you going to COP?’” he told me, referring to the United Nations’ annual climate summit, officially known as the Conference of the Parties. His issue wasn’t calling it “COP,” he clarified. It was dropping the definite article.
“The way I see it, no one has the right to suddenly become such intimate pals with ‘COP.’ You go to the ball game or the conference or what have you. And you go to ‘the COP,’” he said. “I am clearly losing this battle, but no one will ever hear me drop the ‘the.’”
Now, since I talked to Stern, the United States has moved to drop the COP entirely — with or without the “the” — because Trump took us out of the climate treaty under whose aegis the COP is held. But precision still counts, even in unfriendly times. And throughout the rest of this package, you’ll find insiders trying to find a path forward in thoughtful, insightful, and precise ways.
You’ll also find them remaining surprisingly upbeat — and even more optimistic, in some ways, than they were last year. Twelve months ago, 30% of our insider panel thought China would peak its emissions in the 2020s; this year, a plurality said the peak would come this decade. Roughly the same share of respondents this year as last year thought the U.S. would hit net zero in the 2060s. Trump might be setting back American climate action in the near term. But some of the most important long-term trends remain unchanged.
OUR PANEL INCLUDED… Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies | Ken Caldeira, senior scientist emeritus at the Carnegie Institution for Science and visiting scholar at Stanford University | Kate Marvel, research physicist at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies | Holly Jean Buck, associate professor of environment and sustainability at the University at Buffalo | Kim Cobb, climate scientist and director of the Institute at Brown for Environment and Society | Jennifer Wilcox, chemical engineering professor at the University of Pennsylvania and former U.S. Assistant Secretary for Fossil Energy and Carbon Management | Michael Greenstone, economist and director of the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago | Solomon Hsiang, professor of global environmental policy at Stanford University | Chris Bataille, global fellow at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy | Danny Cullenward, senior fellow at the Kleinman Center for Energy Policy at the University of Pennsylvania | J. Mijin Cha, environmental studies professor at UC Santa Cruz and fellow at Cornell University’s Climate Jobs Institute | Lynne Kiesling, director of the Institute for Regulatory Law and Economics at Northwestern University | Daniel Swain, climate scientist at the University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources | Emily Grubert, sustainable energy policy professor at the University of Notre Dame | Jon Norman, president of Hydrostor | Chris Creed, managing partner at Galvanize Climate Solutions | Amy Heart, senior vice president of public policy at Sunrun | Kate Brandt, chief sustainability officer at Google | Sophie Purdom, managing partner at Planeteer Capital and co-founder of CTVC | Lara Pierpoint, managing director at Trellis Climate | Andrew Beebe, managing director at Obvious Ventures | Gabriel Kra, managing director and co-founder of Prelude Ventures | Joe Goodman, managing partner and co-founder of VoLo Earth Ventures | Erika Reinhardt, executive director and co-founder of Spark Climate Solutions | Dawn Lippert, founder and CEO of Elemental Impact and general partner at Earthshot Ventures | Rajesh Swaminathan, partner at Khosla Ventures | Rob Davies, CEO of Sublime Systems | John Arnold, philanthropist and co-founder of Arnold Ventures | Gabe Kleinman, operating partner at Emerson Collective | Amy Duffuor, co-founder and general partner at Azolla Ventures | Amy Francetic, managing general partner and founder of Buoyant Ventures | Tom Chi, founding partner at At One Ventures | Francis O’Sullivan, managing director at S2G Investments | Cooper Rinzler, partner at Breakthrough Energy Ventures | Gina McCarthy, former administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency | Neil Chatterjee, former commissioner of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission | Representative Scott Peters, member of the U.S. House of Representatives | Todd Stern, former U.S. special envoy for climate change | Representative Sean Casten, member of the U.S. House of Representatives | Representative Mike Levin, member of the U.S. House of Representatives | Zeke Hausfather, climate research lead at Stripe and research scientist at Berkeley Earth | Shuchi Talati, founder and executive director of the Alliance for Just Deliberation on Solar Geoengineering | Nat Bullard, co-founder of Halcyon | Bill McKibben, environmentalist and founder of 350.org | Ilaria Mazzocco, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies | Leah Stokes, professor of environmental politics at UC Santa Barbara | Noah Kaufman, senior research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy | Arvind Ravikumar, energy systems professor at the University of Texas at Austin | Jessica Green, political scientist at the University of Toronto | Jonas Nahm, energy policy professor at Johns Hopkins SAIS | Armond Cohen, executive director of the Clean Air Task Force | Costa Samaras, director of the Scott Institute for Energy Innovation at Carnegie Mellon University | John Larsen, partner at Rhodium Group | Alex Trembath, executive director of the Breakthrough Institute | Alex Flint, executive director of the Alliance for Market Solutions
The Heatmap Insiders Survey of 55 invited expert respondents was conducted by Heatmap News reporters during November and December 2025. Responses were collected via phone interviews. All participants were given the opportunity to record responses anonymously. Not all respondents answered all questions.
Plus, which is the best hyperscaler on climate — and which is the worst?
The biggest story in energy right now is data centers.
After decades of slow load growth, forecasters are almost competing with each other to predict the most eye-popping figure for how much new electricity demand data centers will add to the grid. And with the existing electricity system with its backbone of natural gas, more data centers could mean higher emissions.
Hyperscalers with sustainability goals are already reporting higher emissions, and technology companies are telling investors that they plan to invest hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars, into new data centers, increasingly at gigawatt scale.
And yet when we asked our Heatmap survey participants “Do you think AI and data centers’ energy needs are significantly slowing down decarbonization?” only about 34% said they would, compared to 66% who said they wouldn’t.
There were some intriguing differences between different types of respondents. Among our “innovator” respondents — venture capitalists, founders, and executives working at climate tech startups — the overwhelming majority said that AI and data centers are not slowing down decarbonization. “I think it’s the inverse — I think we want to launch the next generation of technologies when there’s demand growth and opportunity to sell into a slightly higher priced, non-commoditized market,” Joe Goodman co-founder and managing partner at VoLo Earth Ventures, told us.
Not everyone in Silicon Valley is so optimistic, however. “I think in a different political environment, it may have been a true accelerant,” one VC told us. “But in this political environment, it’s a true albatross because it’s creating so many more emissions. It’s creating so much stress on the grid. We’re not deploying the kinds of solutions that would be effective."
Scientists were least in agreement on the question. While only 47% of scientists thought the growth of data centers would significantly slow down decarbonization, most of the pessimistic camp was in the social sciences. In total, over 62% of the physical scientists we surveyed thought data centers weren’t slowing down decarbonization, compared to a third of social scientists.
Michael Greenstone, a University of Chicago economist, told us he didn’t see data centers and artificial intelligence as any different from any other use of energy. “I also think air conditioning and lighting, computing, and 57,000 other uses of electricity are slowing down decarbonization,” he said. The real answer is the world is not trying to minimize climate change.”
Mijin Cha, an assistant professor of environment studies at the University of California Santa Cruz, was even more gloomy, telling us, “Not only do I think it’s slowing down decarbonization, I think it is permanently extending the life of fossil fuels, especially as it is now unmitigated growth.”
Some took issue with the premise of the question, expressing skepticism of the entire AI industry. “I’m actually of the opinion that most of the AI and data center plans are a massive bubble,” a scientist told us. “And so, are there plans that would be disruptive to emissions? Yes. Are they actually doing anything to emissions yet? Not obvious.”
We also asked respondents to name the “best” and “worst” hyperscalers, large technology companies pursuing the data center buildout. Many of these companies have some kind of renewables or sustainability goal, but there are meaningful differences among them. Google and Microsoft look to match their emissions with non-carbon-power generation in the same geographic area and at the same time. The approach used by Meta and Amazon, on the other hand, is to develop renewable projects that have the biggest “bang for the buck” on global emissions by siting them in areas with high emissions that the renewable generation can be said to displace.
Among our respondents, the 24/7 “time and place” approach is the clear winner.
Google was the “best” pick for 19 respondents, including six who said “Google and Microsoft.” By contrast, Amazon and Meta had just three votes combined.
As for the “worst,” there was no clear consensus, although two respondents from the social sciences picked “everyone besides Microsoft and Google” and “everyone but Google and Microsoft.” Another one told us, “The best is a tie between Microsoft and Google. Everyone else is in the bottom category.”
A third social scientist summed it up even more pungently. “Google is the best, Meta is the worst. Evil corporation” — though with more expletives than that.
The Heatmap Insiders Survey of 55 invited expert respondents was conducted by Heatmap News reporters during November and December 2025. Responses were collected via phone interviews. All participants were given the opportunity to record responses anonymously. Not all respondents answered all questions.